Many thanks for your helpful reply. I have tried to track the aircraft and also the airman, but without success. I am fascinated as we found a .50 cal casing in the woods as well which I guess was from the fighting overhead?? I would like to see the book you mention. During the war my dad was evacuated from Liverpool (Anfield) to Wales as a seven year old. Or if can you be more precise with regards the location as there were a good few air crashes in the area. He thinks at least one died in the crash but at least two bailed out which in my mind rules out a me 110. There doesnt seem to ba any other 4 man crew unaccounted for on 21/22 August on land, so where did the 4 in Chartham come from, if not Kings Somborne but obviously I need a definite link for authorities to accept these men are the Ju 88 crew. Oberlt H. Becker-Ross, Oberfw G. Bruckner, Fw A. Hansen and Fw W. Brinkmann were all killed and their unidentified remains were buried in All Saints Churchyard, Staplehurst. There is a photo which may help if your dad says this sounds right. Crashed WW2 Aircraft.. He served in the BEF the Royal Engineers blowing up bridges during the retreat to Dunkirk. Have you tried on the forums? For a decade, Its such a clear story, I imagine (kiss of death here) we should be able to identify it. The plane rested on the water for about five minutes and then sank. Jettisoned its bombs but crashed in flames and burned out at Kings Somborne at about 2.15 p.m. I have Nigel Parkers Luftwaffe Crash Archive (am awaiting publication of Volume 12 which is last in the series) which details every Gernman air crash in the UK. HI Ian, no its the Bf-110 from Erpro210 flown by Walter Rubensdorffer (something of a bomber celebrity and CO of the specialist unit. Hi Owen, The bombs just missed the railway station and I had a wonderful top 3/4 view of the aircraft as it turned after off-loading its bombs and flew south beneath the cloud layer. fertigungs-Nr F12. One evening, he was cycling near what is now the Plough Inn at Plumpton Green and was strafed by a German fighter fortunately he recognised the sound and dived into the hedge. John Vascos books of which I own none of! Thank You. Many Thanks! As well as some other things he took the engine block number & a number plate from the fuselage. The crash is mentioned in Blitz over Sussex by Burgess & Saunders from Middleton Press. Dont know what type of plane it was or if is connected to the aircraft panel you purchased. Thats all that I have. A quick search on asisbiz provided photos of Do17Zs of 1/KG76 but not the specific aircraft F1+IH. They did wonder if it may have been the gibbet being confused with some sort of aerial or radar or if it was just confusion to where they were or if even they had just overshot London which was only 60 miles away. Theres a crater in the woods next to my house. He was an Observer and in the early days of WWII the Observer was often the captain of the aircraft, having been trained as a pilot. have some information and Ive tried getting in touch with him but Im trying all bases at the moment. On March 12, 1943, the nine-man crew of a B-17F Flying Fortress perished after one of the planes engines caught fire and exploded mid-air during a flight from Smoky Hill Air Field in Salina, Kansas, to Morrison Field in West Palm Beach, Florida. My mum (born 1928) lived and worked in Luton all her life and told me a few times about a German plane (sounds like a fighter bomber, light bomber or bomber) crash landing on wet field in the north of Luton, possibly around where Icknield school is now. I personally think it should be excavated and put in a museum and saved for posterity and not left to rot in the ground or worse still be robbed by trophy hunters. All five crewmen were killed and now lie in the Cannock Chase German cemetery. There is a small photo of the RAF navigator by the Mosquito at West Malling and one of the excavation in 1976 with the now retired navigator proudly displaying a prop unearthed. north carolina discovery objections / jacoby ellsbury house Also iam Curious about a Plane a Junkers 88A-5840 Which Came Down 13th August 1942 Shot Down By BS squadron Pilots Sullivan And Skeel, Freidrich was a Junkers crew Member I cant find nothing on the internet but I Have Bid on a Part from the Junkers On ebay. 75% of the town was evacuated in 1940. The story is a Dornier crashed there, on Sept 15th 1940, a busy day in the skies above my house! Regards Alan Bush, Hi Alan, I will take a look tomorrow and get back to you. Will take a look Adam. Williams and Pilot Officer J.W. Overall, the main onslaught by flying bombs ended about 5 months after that first ranging attack in June 1944. For the most part the books I have identify the crash site, but not always where the air crew landed if they had baled out. They also used a drain under the road, if they had time to get to it. I have googled Essex Aviation Group but it seems to be an aircraft firm now. The widow was able to put the record straight. Simon Parry has been of invaluable assistance to me regarding my own research of aircraft downed in my parish and might be able to shed some more light on the crash although as it did not happen during The Battle of Britain I dont know whether he has as much information to hand. My elderly father was evacuated to laindon essex and remembers a German bomber maybe a dornier being persued by a hurricane at rooftop level. I believe it was involved in the attack on Kenley. Mustve thought I was trying to sell something. http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.co.uk/styled-15/styled-18/styled-67/index.html. Is there anywhere that I could go online using the aircraft info I have to get some answers? Could anyone assist me with this query? WebAt its peak, more than one hundred V1s a day were fired at south-east England, 9,521 in total, decreasing in number as sites were overrun until October 1944, when the last V1 site in range of Britain was overrun by Allied forces. Hi John,
Even in the 1990s, there is one site on these pages where the pilots body remains at the crash site because it could not be recovered. The Sussex Constabulary reports often reproduced in the Crash Archives that Ian has can narrow the area down and might be the best information. He collected side arms and boot knives off them informed them their war was over and the spent many hours n the bungalow waiting for Dads Army to collect them who I belive came from Hailsham. Do you have the date of the crash, even an approximation? Any help would be appreciated. Mrs Kelly, wife of Private Kelly of the Royal Sussex Regiment proudly brought into the Gazette Office on Monday an official note from her husbands commanding officer, personally congratulating him and Private Perkins, on being instrumental in bringing down a Junkers 88 on August 21st. Do you recall the family name of person who collected the piece? 
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The Bf110 exploded on hitting the ground, creating a deep crater (presume the T/O time is an hour ahead, otherwise it was shot down and crashed within 5 minutes of taking off!). This street is One crewman, wireless op Gefr Adolf Wibel was found dead some distance away at Grandturzel Farm, Burwash (TN19 7DE), it was his parachute that had been damaged. If you can get hold of the civil defence diary they might be able to shed some light on it. The number on the pouch is 088 1692, So if anyone has any idea or further info on this item, i would be very interested to hear. Thank you very much for that! I have a copy of Blitz over Sussex 1941-42 but cannot find any reference to a German aircraft crashing at Saddlescombe. Regards There was also a He111 that came down at Ewes Bottom, Patcham near to Saddlescombe on 8 May 42. The date of this crash is 7 September 1940 there were a great many German aircraft shot down that day. One thing that puzzled me about the Do-17Z-2 that was brought down by that bizarre parachute-cable-rocket airfield-defense gadget during the Aug. 18/1940 Kenley raid, was that a Cannock Chase grave stone shows the names of both the pilot (Johannes Petersen) and the observer/occasional pilot (Dr. Sommer, a Party member) buried together. You are at the opposite end of the country to me, am Manchester way. Lovely photo with the poppy in the frame! Thanks for your reply D B. Regarding the fuselage codes, these could be painted on any number of different aircraft, Parker providing 5 seperate aircraft with the code U5 + ET. Superfortress 44-61999 Over-Exposed! air crash site on Bleaklow, All photos and text are aircrashsites.co.uk unless otherwise stated. Narrows it down a lot. This would have been towards the end of the war; the pilot survived with a broken arm. We have some woods nearby and have found British .50 cal bullets in the woods and scraps of aluminium and have always wondered if they had anything to do with the Heinkel. It began with the Royal Engineers at Chatham establishing a balloon Hi, I was told that the other crewman bailed out. Yes, I expect the bodies of the crewmen are now at Cannock Chase. Researching a German crash from the Battle of Britain (the one at the top of this thread) I only just discovered last week that a man remembered on the war dead in the parish church is a Battle of Britain pilot. Photo courtesy of Raymond Hill. I would love to see some pics of it. As a boy I visited the site two days after the event with a schoolfriend and found a small piece of metal with a screw. 9347. During the flight, the flying boats crew lost their way and found themselves well off course. Ian. Hi David, if you can recall the date or even the year painted on the crosses, that would help as all Luftwaffe losses are listed in Nigel Parkers Luftwaffe Crash Archive. WebA researcher, @clapos (his internet forum and twitter alias, as he has asked www.ww2wrecks.com not to reveal his real name), has done a thorough research and By: Keith I've put it on a map, similar to PlaneCrashMap here, and have used what I've learned on this site to make it more easy to use and quicker, despite the larger data source used. Hi Jez, sorry I have been unable to look at the books I have. I have looked at the maps again Gerald. But, the question remains: if it wasnt from an aircraft, and since there seemed to have been no kind of meaningful activity in that area, how did it come to be there? He lists a specific V1 downed in Mountfield on 17/6/44 23.58hrs Southover Estate Cottage demolished 2 seriously injured 3 lightly. We used old photos from newspapers to help pinpoint the location of a Luftwaffe crash site on the east coast of Yorkshire last year. If you want to learn even more about this crash site there was an article written by Andy Saunders in the January 2009 issue of Britain at War magazine titled A Far from Ordinary Pond. This was the first example of a Junkers 88 to fall on Hertfordshire soil during World War Two. Other nearby places this incident could be recorded against are (from Google maps): Criccieth; Porthmadog; Portmeirion; Morfa Bychan; Harlech and Afon Glaslyn. Mind you, from Bury it was 6.5 hours drive. Best wishes We came to Australia in 1955. Further details are available on the gov.uk web site. 1944 would fit with what I remember being told; apparently the airman seemed just glad to be alive and out of the war. One grizzly tale his father found a human finger,put it in a matchbox and gave to the authorities ! My question is where can I identifie the plane & crew from these two sets of numbers?
Apparently the aircraft disintegrated so the debris will have been spread out over a wide area but I suspect the majority of the debris landed in one compact place. I'd leave the trowel at home if I were you. But Im getting conflicting data on which plane, pilots kill and German crew. co-incidentaly I too now live in Australia. I actually think 6.5 hours isnt too bad but thats because I have Landy that struggles past 65. Most farmers are very helpful, I find knocking on doors particularly useful, people often have photos or the odd chunk of debris and are more than willing to talk about it, even if they dont recall it themselves, the story is often passed down. Yes, there must have been a crowd of souvenir hunters on the first day. I have a photograph of a German aircraft which apparently crashed in Sunbury UK WW2. http://www.thekeep@eastsussex.gov.uk and http://www.thekeep.info. Thanks to former Stanhoe resident Arthur Walker for most of the information on these crash sites. I saw no detail about a Polish Hurricane pilot, what I have is reference to it being shot down by Spitfires and the crew bailed out. It must have belly-anded somewhere south of Winchester and was probably a prototype that flew from Supermarines at Eastleigh airport near Southampton. My dad served in the Royal Navy from 38-45, he and his mates were of the same opinion, he had respect for his enemy. GB445558329. And even where German airmen were buried in local cemetaries and graveyards, they were mostly exhumed and reburied at the German Military Cemetery at Cannock Chase (there are photos of it here under Britain at War) This aircraft crashed andexploded in Combwell Wood, Kilndown, near Goudhurst, Kent, at 3.15pm on 15th September, 1940 (Battle of Britain Day). Aeroplanes everywhere. He Survived.One Crew Member May have Be mis identified. Hi Simon, not been to Sussex alas, at least not looking for air crash sites. The book is part of a 3 volume set and not too expensive that briefly details all the known wartime crashes in the county as well as some of the V weapon incidents. Happy Days. German bombers attacked the Firth of Forth near Edinburgh on 16 October 1939. I wish I had asked more when I had the chance! Would really appreciate any information or better still a picture of the battery. On my train to London I once counted about 20 pillboxes dotting the countryside and that started it off. Four of the crew from the bomber later met up with Wing Commander Peter Ayerst in 1988.
It seems to be folklore in the area, but no-one has any real detail. My mother knew Helmuts future wife Crystal. I was very young boy living in Oxford during the war and dont remember much except for the noise of the German bombers going over (Born 1939) and searchlights. I saw it when I was around 5 years old (around 1945) if memory serves me correct it looked as though it had made a wheels up landing and the propeller was well bent. One was looking for his brother Hans who was later found dead. Does anyone out there know? walteray.hill29@gmail.com. Speculation abounds! Simon, that Me-410 you mentioned: Dave Smith, another schoolchum of mine in those days (circa 1952), and a fellow aviation enthusiast, lived in Langney, which is part of Eastbourne and on the eastern edge of the town.
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German airplane was shot down over my village in Sussex on 15th Aug 1940 after Croydon! In Kent in 1943 20 pillboxes dotting the countryside and that started it.! 1940, a party from 49 MU drags sections of a crashed across...ww2 plane crash sites map kent February 25, 2023 Posted by David AP, remember as a lad finding a canopy of either a spitfire or hurricane on spare land between clifton,the irwell and agecroft collery in manchester,never did find out which it was and i think its been dug up C-49j military cargo plane. For those of you Who are interested in who the Pilot was Below is his details. - 4th September 2008 at 11:39 Permalink Sounds like you have got the right Ju 88. Fatally disabled and with no landing gear deployed the Heinkel and Spitfire passed low over the heads of spectators standing on Salisbury Street, in Shotton, Deeside. He said the church archives are stored in Brighton somewhere and he was going to look into that at sometime. Many thanks. However, on the first page a local historian has recently provided an email address and seems happy to be contacted. I was after all a Boy Scout, and we were supposed always to Be Prepared! WebCrash site: Arunachal Pradesh, state in northeast India. But it was also the catalyst to the Germans switching priorities to London from the airfields which probably led to them eventually giving up on Sealion. these are only my own personal opinions as I know there are still those who lived through the blitz alive today who cant forgive. If I didnt live on the other side of the Big Pond, Id love to go take a look. In the photos you can see bits of debris hanging from the trees. We are researching local history for the village. WebKent has been at the forefront of manned flight since the 1880s and is thus worthy of the title cradle of aviation. Hes still convinced it was a dornier but not really sure. It impacted at Shinewater Marsh, Hampden Park exploding violently and apparently blasting a massive crater in the soft soil. Some of the confusion re; identifying this aircraft appears to be with the code, which Parker gives as U5+ET. Do you have the year? We lived in Grovesner Ave, Chatham, Kent. Wilhelm Markl. Lots of Queen Marys (long low-loaders) with bits and pieces aircraft on them ( I once saw a very flash, brand new Spitfire of a very late mark, on one. Regards to your Dad. There was almost nothing left apart from burned bushes just below the roadside. Attacked by three Hurricanes, Uffz Rger turned for home but was shot down. called Annacey, which I have since found out is now apartments, but as young children we were taken for walks from there which means the crash was within relative walking distance of there . Hollings-Pott and Mclean witnessing this fatal strike broke off and flew their Spitfires back towards Hawarden Airfield. W D Cocroft. Cheers, north carolina discovery objections / jacoby ellsbury house In Nottinghamshire Air Crashes (2008) by David Needham, there is only one record of a German aircraft having crashed in Nottinghamshire. Give us some more detail if you can, will have a look round for more for you. The image here is from wikipedia commons. Also, what places of aviation interest are there to visit in the area? And I suppose when the bodies were buried in convenient Litlington, their interment may have been regarded as temporary in any case. I was on my way to school when it emerged right above me at about 800ft from a low nimbus that clagged everything in.
Best wishes The father of another school friend, Bryan Cozens, assisted the firemen. This is my only reasoning for why this part might be in this location. I also saw a Ju88 being shot down right over head at about 900ft. Anyway if there is anything in that book that you think would help then please let me know or email me. Following a collision with Pilot-Officer Stephenson of 607 Squadron. but I believe it should be done as a sign of respect to all those young men on both sides who died in this terrible conflict. Bf110C S9+TH at Smallbridge? Hi Paul Marshall, Good luck in your research! OBrien and Pilot Officer R.F.T. Cant see much much else in the closest boundaries of Battle, Hailsham, Cuckfield or Chailey districts but the Crash Archives are the definitive reference works, From my own research experience if the crew baled out they can be land far away for the crash site (in the most extreme case a pilot landed in Crowborough, his He111 crashed on a beach in Dinard France! I have spoken to the daughter of the Revd Chittenden who was Rector here during and after the war, and she remembers something about some German airmen being buried here. He was very young my mother thought just a teenager and very frightened. I wish my family had a camera. I recently discovered a german airplane was shot down over my village in Sussex on 15th Aug 1940 after raiding Croydon airfield. ww2 plane crash sites map kent. As a kid i lived very close to Kenley, most weekends me and a mate would go and search up there, lots of bullets etc were found up there. I bet that took the excitement away from her! Source Historic England Archive BB98/02592, Historic England AA94/02958 Roger J C Thomas, Find out more about Heritage Apprenticeships. There are many details which do not chime with your family recollection Don Fw Richter was a veteran, having served since 1935 and in various campaigns before the Battle of Britain (France, Poland and he was with the Berlin Police Force before that) and was a flight sergeant, and not a nervous young man by the sounds of it. Hi Dave, good to hear from you again. He claims (in that year) a German Luftwaffe airman had baled out of his crashing Heinkel nearby. Thank you so much. Web/ ww2 plane crash sites map kent. We later found more about the war Plane and its Pilot and the reasons for the crash, He was a Luftwaffe Pilot Who had flown from his base in Guines near Calais France. AIRCRAFT CRASH BRISTOL BRITTANIA. So, nothing concrete at this point but the stories of seeing a pilot parachute from a crashing aircraft will have been widely reported at the time, these kids either seeing them happen or talk to other kids who saw them happen. The Heinkel made a perfect, wheels up landing, coming to a stand some fifty yards short of Border House Farm on Bumpers Lane, near the River Dee. But remember to be respectful. We were on some Boy Scout badge-qualifying mission so had to get proof that we had slept rough. Good luck with the search on the ground, be interested to see if you locate any signal patterns with a metal detector sweep. After uprooting two trees it bounced four times along the ground and broke into many pieces, which were spread over an area of about half-a-mile. The other two crewmen were pilot Uffz Bruno Zimmermann and flight engineer Gefr August Wroblewski whose bodies were recovered from the wreckage. The aircraft crashed and all five on board were killed. Sometime in 1952 a pal of mine, Dave Smith, who lived not far from the crash site, collared me and we went looking for evidence of the impact of that 410. For interest Andy Saunders is doing a talk on oddities of the Battle of Britain this month with the Lewes Military History Soc. The crash spot is identified as B13 on Map B on Page 9. Hi David, do you know the date it happened? It would be good if this is your aircraft as there are a lot of photos of it on the ground, even some cine footage in existence. The aircraft in question is a WWII Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress that crashed on Sandwich Bay in Kent in 1943. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Harrow Train Crash Inquiry: James Kent. And then silence . It was quite successful: 10 Hurricanes destroyed, including 2 shot down; hangars damaged; airfield OOA for 2 hours. At some point during the Battle of Britain his dads battery had downed a Ju88, not only had they downed it but they had jumped in a truck & raced to the crash site to lift some trophies before the army sealed off the site. The ground certainly was marshy in that area, although it probably has been drained a lot since then. Heritage Apprentices in a training session on the Researching The Historic Environment module and training in Architectural Photography. The relocated church archives do exist elsewhere apparently, but I live in the USA so I cant do much in regard to accessing those. Your email address will not be published. Of the 5 crew, 4 survived including the pilot. There were at least four aircraft in the formation and I have to wonder how they could manage to attack Kenley in broad daylight and not suffer at least one shot down. WebHere, a party from 49 MU drags sections of a crashed aircraft across a Kent hop field. Thank you for your response, I am amazed that there is this type of info collated somewhere. So, I am stuck on where to go with identifying the crew whose graves I saw all those years ago.
