He meets ALL the criteria. Nobody will valorize or say good things so i have to.

The only question is why isnt everyone mentally ill?

You only have one life you can live, no one gets a second chance. He has recently come to terms with the fact he may have high functioning autism.

And then on the flip side again, he definitely sits on the pity pot and blames others. then what is the problem ? Not everyone is as gentle and understanding as I am. But I keep hurting her by my crippling inaction on a bunch of things like keeping up with bookkeeping for our business (which puts her financial security in jeopardy), or getting life insurance for myself. We were not monogamous. I am 72 (still feel young) :-). Since mirror neurons are part of the brains social interaction systeminvolved with social cues, imitation, empathy, and the ability to decode intentions of otherssome scientists have found that people on the autism spectrum have a dysfunctional mirror neuron system (University of California, San Diego, 2005). If they dont then they are definitely in the narcissistic range. Warm regards, Jean. Autism Spectrum Lol but heh who knows. Every real symptom can be explained by a combination of biochemistry and consciousness studies none of which needs any of the cult speak of psychiatry. Its like a surgeon in a surgery room see a person bleeding to death and hes like well hope you will clean up the mess when you get better cauz i wont and leave I mean.. its insane They have 0 logic.. 0 brain. He has almost savant like abilities with facts, dates, details and questions if others really know what theyre talking if they cant relate their knowledge as well as he does. I am also a survivor of pretty horrendous child sexual and physical abuse, starting in my first year of life and going on till puberty (age about 12 or 13) when the perpetrator lost interest in me and turned his attention elsewhere. Autistic people struggle with theory of mind issues, not insensitivity nor one-dimensionality. I spent my life thinking i was worth nothing ill try to be worth something now. Their maturing process is made up as they go along because there is no alternative. Industrial society has encouraged narcissism from the start each level of so called progress, is actually only progress toward pure narcissism all round.

Lol the good thing is it forced me to figure it all by myself.. i got a master degree in narcissistic disorder lol and now i spot them from miles away. Usually children of abusive or inadequate parents and have to learn to survive growing up, perhaps without protection or guidance of any kind. Read some anthropology. From what you have said I can see a certain amount of manipulation going on. Understand that people with narcissism do not cooperate or collaborate well; you will have to learn to be independent in this type of relationship. I call my mother i tell her about the 5k.. im thinking about therapies, ways to help myself. Apparently it had been a nightmare situation for some years till they worked out where this young fellow was coming from. Once they knew how his mind worked the parents put in strategies on ways to handle him and get him back down to their level. I never truly had gf or friends most were all narcs that had felt my weakness (my parents work on me made me behave like well, a weak formatted slave a perfect target for narcs). This brought on the most horrendous fear in him which he still has trouble containing.

I did briefly contemplate he may be autistic given there are some similarities in behaviour but on reflection I dont believe this to be so. I found it very beneficial. I feel tremendous empathy knowing hes probably had to deal with the way he is his whole life, him not understanding why he has run ins with other people. Im not a young person and Ive only just come to this conclusion. Please dont underestimate how hard changing your perspective can be!!! He developed Alzheimers at 58yrs old and lost his words, the best way to describe it. I was hoovered not once, not twice, but thrice by a woman Im pretty sure has high-functioning autism and c-ptsdthat is, if her story checks out. and that is, yes, the non-biochemical, non-material aspects and also non-spiritual We are seeing a trend with people, mostly men who come from families of both NPD on one side and ASD on the other side of the family. I think you are barking up the wrong tree your first mistake is to assume aspergers and high functioning autism are the same thing THEY ARE NOT! You can only change yourself. I would be relieved to leave a legacy. I think my brother and sister, both younger than me, were abused too but they dont remember anything, and they dont believe what my story. Any views and opinions expressed are not necessarily shared by GoodTherapy.org. I can relate to much of what you have said as far as the narcissistic partner, and how it destroys the very fabric of who you are. It took me 18 months of visits to a psychologist before I could really step back and see what was happening, thats how much he screwed with my brain.

So how could i tell? I try my best with them but my psy is a narc the type of my father (he physician boss in healthcare) and my therapists most are narcs too the weak ones like my mother. When I inadvertently triggered rage in him it was wild and an eye opener, as I can suffer CPTSD, and unfortunately lost a friend of very many years the next day. Thats a bit of a rant folks, and Im not sure why Im posting here I guess because I would certainly welcome any thoughts from anyone who has been is a relationship with someone like me (or who is like me). Realize you may not be able to teach a person with narcissism how to be different. Has any one else been through something like this? We all have our problems, and sin. We then began watching a couple of DVDs, one depicting Temple Grandins life growing up and her struggle with her autism. On the general issue what is most tragic about all these discussions, as well as the reality of the negative people and the denial of causes physical and otherwise is that these victims on both sides of abuse are using the language of the psychologist and psychiatrist you havent realised that they are your enemy to be simplistic because theyre false narrative is trapping you from getting help for yourself or the family

Neither she and my brother understand what upbringing can do in the way of damage and traumatisation. But, even if i know i am sensitive, empathic. Narcissists will use what they can to manipulate the situation, which then overlooks whatever tendencies they have from being racists, sexists, etc. His main source was Jacques Ellul and his manifest was totally coherent. Can I please get a clarification here? Only when I moved out from the shared house did I lose my fear of her. The worst case scenario was a workaholic trait which eventually took its toll and the sexual abuse came to light. If people have no decent care in childhood and adolescence all they can do is put themselves first and take no prisoners. Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) is usually only formally diagnosed when someone I hope Ive explained it so you can understand what I am trying to say. I hope anyone having been hurt or hurts others can stop and take some stock of their own behaviour, as Ive had to in this last year. It was actually a turning point in my life. 9. I will certainly go to that site as you suggest because as you can see from my texts I dont know which way is up anymore just that something is not right. Good luck but definitely question his actions in your own mind if you feel they are not right. I put my wedding ring back on and made a commitment to myself to do all I could to save my marriage. I have always wondered if im narcissistic not even considering im autistic. What can I do to recover from this personality disorder? He can say inappropriate things without realizing it. Thank you. They likely have an inflated Narcissism is a personality condition that ranges from mild to severe. If I do not go to my basket willingly, then I ahve found that the verbal attacks would become more and more hostile until eventually I would be physically attacked. He was so young and so small and had no protection, from what I can gather.

Like he has some wiring thats off and doesnt realize it. I keep reading that we dont recover but I i imagine there has to be something that works, both for me and people that encounter me.

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Now I know for sure Ive fibromyalgia and Im dealing with it alone. Recently i ran out of food i asked for help nobody cared.. nobody helped.. both my parents said fu starve man you will love it Like what? Hello Freja, I understand there are four levels of autism. They would pay everything in exchange of me signinig to work for them after my studies. I developped a 6th sense for dealing with narcs. Thank you again for making contact and please take very good care of yourself.Mind, Body and Soul. I have no control over thiis as its the decision of the individual to decide for themselves. I wish people would actually ask autistic people before writing about them.

A few times he said I was a good person.

Finally someone who understands and indicates the right direction to deal with it. Another idea, is to step back from your life and look at it from an outsiders point of view. They teamed up on me to make me guilt trip and think its truly me the problem since they all agree that it is me. I dont believe she will ever change, but if there is a chance I would be willing to slowly, but very slowly let her back in. Think about all the mean things hes done to you, not the good things, and you may find there wasnt that many good things anyway, if you put the good and bad side by side. Good luck whatever you decide to do, and do value yourself as you know its not an ideal situation for yourself and your future together. Because of his homelife with his ex wife who was also a narsistic person that had major alcohol abuse issues and insisted on having 6 children (girls) he was totally burnt out by the time I met him even though his marriage had ended 6 years prior. I didnt consider narcissism but some of those traits fit too. But Im sure lots of couples overcome these difficulties or learn to live around each other in less conventional ways.

With the publication of the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), this label disappeared, replaced by autism spectrum. Mel, how is your reading comprehension? I appreciate the goals of this article, however the content on autism is very inaccurate and based on outdated misconceptions about autism. Because i could sit .. and write down all of this.. all the proof that shows.. its real. Rather than getting upset by this, I recommend practicing acceptance. Im not perfect either but telling him my point of view or that you feel left out or asking for the same emotional support I give him (my daughter is going through tremendous health problems) shouldnt be called a lecture. your next words were, you might find there wasnt that many good things. How true, there was only feeling dehumanized and worth very little to him. This appears as a very one sided relationship. Now ignoring email without consequence is standard. The narcissist lacks empathy and is malicious about it. As Robin touched upon, I feel that we cannot begin to determine what is really going on with a persons brain until their environmental toxins and deficits are corrected. Over this past couple of years through my unconditional love for him he has come to the realisation that he does have aspergers syndrome and is now starting to understand himself and why he is different to most other people around us. We didnt know until just before I left and we split up that she was on the spectrum. Oh yeah a mother that knows you got a serious compulsive gambling disorder that go through 6 months of no dont do that! Well if i were i would surely read articles like this to find out sollutions for problems :p Anyway the consensus that narcissism is incurable seems a very challenging statement but it is beyond my scope to decide if thats true.. Mel, you are incorrect. Webit's a vicious cycle. She was always the ultimate giver and forgiver. LadyJay you have found what I have found.

Practice Management Software for Therapists, Rules and Ethics of Online Therapy for Therapists, How to Send Appointment Reminders that Work, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/narcissism-vs-aspergers-how-can-i-tell-the-difference-1114174, Clueless about damage they cause even though they can be hurtful and, Hurts other peoples feelings and doesnt care, Has intuition and uses it to get narcissistic supply, Tends to flip into different modes or personalities (Dr. Jekyll/Mr.

Break up and never look back. Here is the problem that confuses me. Elizabeth he is a narcissist, I lived with one for 38 years and he almost destroyed me and his family in the process of trying to be in control.

These experiences and many many more in life, has contributed to a metaphor, this has helped me clarify what happens in life, Imagine: group of 10 people in a room with a small bust in the centre of the people sitting around it, one person is totally blind (but he has no idea he is) The other seeing people dont know hes blind but just has some peculiar mannerisms, everyone is talking about the lovely blue marble bust of a Queen. A truly beautiful person. Some very dangerously incorrect information about autistic people here, probably better for you to leave it to actually autistic people.

When I first met him I thought he talked a lot but he did ask me a few questions about myself and we got along okay. Research and study autism and learn what you can to have. All I ever wanted was to be valued and to feel like I was an important person in his life. When he has a rage its off the scale! This took a toll on me after 20 odd years and dealing with the lack of self worth he so graciously gave to me, I ended up becoming someone I didnt particularly like, value or relate to at that stage, my self asteem was at an all time low, this was in 2007 and I was 43 years old, at this stage I was not wearing my wedding rings and I was now quite self absorbed and looking mainly at my own needs. We have mused together over the years that we are on our marriage version X.0 (I think were on 6.0 now), but this time is the final time shell put up with my shenanigans. He keeps demanding support, care, listening, which is reasonable, but I get very little. I read your piece about your life and trouble with interest. The treatment then was medication and psychiatric ward. Thats how i dealt with previous therapist that was trying to destroy me same way as my mother was.I had to write down her acitons and words in a general email to the healthcare departmet where she was working to have them and her figure she had fucked up. You dont need a religion to know that demonic possession is real, just because materialism denies it.

Other than that he completely fits the description of a narcissist not someone on the spectrum as per your chart above. A narcissist is someone who is preoccupied with power, prestige, and vanity. A total war going on but its not on a military or country level. I am aware there is no known info whether or not it is hereditary but always wondered because of others in our family with it. I dont intentionally do these things, but the result is the same: hurting the one person I have in my life (I dont have friends or family aside from her). He sure as hell wasnt schizophrenic. It was after almost 2 weeks without a single grain of rice. Goodness me!!! He kept talking about a woman he knew bothered me and I kept asking him to stop and was getting very upset.

If one reads up about some of the brilliant high functioning autistic people in this world, and individuals that have been perceived to be on the spectrum, some have done some amazing things. 5.

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